Talk:Survivor

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Contents 1 Some questions about Rezone 2 Vizunah Square? 3 Case Studies 4 survivor 5 Festival Quest Deaths 6 More research + Data 7 After the first tier 8 Fast way for permasins 9 The side-effect of working on a Survivor... 10 BMP 11 GAH 12 Fool Proof Survivor 13 How does this work? 14 The kathy Way 15 Archive? 16 Need be Prophecies character? 17 Deaths from Polymock Losses? 18 <1hour 19 Bugged Cinemac 20 Survivor with Prophecies Mesmer 21 Worms 22 My necro just got it in ~16hrs

[edit] Some questions about Rezone

I'm a little confused, some people use the command resign instead of just travel back or rezone. I travel back, the problem is that after solo farm like 14 times the famous raptor cave (which is needed for the "Survivor" only title), it simply doesn't appear, so my question is, if we travel to the town instead of running to the entrance, it doesn't count for the title? Or the title only appears once we get the 1m+ exp for the Legendary survivor? I'm a bit confused as the main page doesn't have any info on this >.< Thanks in advance --Inflame 13:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Resigning is a faster way to travel back, but otherwise they are equivalent. What level are you, and are you sure you didn't die already? Check with /deaths command to be sure. -- Alaris 14:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello Alaris, thanks for the reply. I'm level 20, 10m+ experience, don't know if it has something to do with something about the XP gain per kill, but i don't think so. Instead of resign i always double click on the town to go back, that's was my question, if we travel back that way, if that cancels something for the title. Sorry for my english because it's not the best and sometimes i mess up making my text confusing, even for me. 0_o -- Inflame 16:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

You should already be Legendary Survivor, which is the highest rank you can get. The thing I worry is that with farming, a lag spike might get you killed without you necessarily having knowledge of it. So if you don't have Legendary Survivor by now, type /deaths in your chat line, and it will tell you if you died. Otherwise, open up the titles menu (default key is H) and check if Legendary Survivor is maxed. As long as you get the kills (and the XP), it counts. -- Alaris 17:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Map travelling doesn't affect survivor at all.. The only thing that can mess up your survivor title is death.. ^Teo^ 20:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, tyvm both. I'll do the same again and make sure i'll use the command /deaths so i can see if i die even knowing i didn't from what i see lol. Thanks again! :-) Inflame 10:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so i did the same and nothing. Finally i've read the whole article and in the end is this: This title track will only appear on the Hero Panel upon attaining level 5 with zero deaths. If the character has died prior to reaching level 5, this title track will not appear. So i guess that is the problem, i probably died before i got level 5 =D. --Inflame 19:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Type "/deaths" in your chat box, and it will tell you if you died. -- Alaris 21:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Dude, i know that, but like i said it seems that to get the title i can't die until i get to level 5, otherwise the title won't show up. So i guess i died before i got to lvl5. --Inflame 17:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to make sure that it's not a bug, or that perhaps you looked in the wrong place for the title. In the hero panel, there are a few panels to click on. Nothing wrong with double-checking. -- Alaris 17:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

If you survive past lvl 5 and then die, the title disappears.. ^Teo^ 18:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

To elaborate on that, it will only start to show when you reach lvl5 without dieing and will only stick if you at least reached rank 1 (lvl20 without dieing). So, if you die at lvl18, the title will dissapear again. --Lady Rhonwyn 11:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. ^Teo^ 17:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vizunah Square?

In Vizunah Square (Foreign Quarter), when you die in the last cinematic, does that affect the survivor title? 84.68.200.252 17:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Sometimes. If there's a MM, minions will turn hostile once everybody dies. There's a chance they can kill the player during/after the cinematic, so your best choice is to skip that cinematic altogether (or even map-travel if other players/party do not skip it).

Forced death systems (like /resign, Polymock, Costume Brawl, cinematics and others) are reported to be bugged from time to time, so it's better to not push your luck too much. --NIN37 17:24, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I often heard forced deaths being bugged - my guildie took part in the Mad King event with his survivor, and after he failed to do what the King said, his Survivor title froze - so I just wanted to check. 84.68.200.252 17:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Case Studies

Hello. I have just earned Legendary survivor(3) on my ranger after 18h45mins of playing (approximately) It was done by reaching level 10 in nightfall, using quests and farming monsters, then going to eotn and farming "Kilroy's punchout extravaganza" mostly in hm using lightbringers scrolls, spending on scrolls only the money I got from selling drops. I think it should be added to the Case studies section, because the current case study for ranger states 25hours. I think at least it should be noted that it can be done much quicker with that type of character.I can provide evidence(screenshots) if it is necessary.

Go ahead and add it. -- Alaris 01:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Added. (BaaaaltheMighty 22:49, 1 December 2008 (UTC))

Merged with the other one, as the circumstances were nearly identical, but Baaaal did it six hours faster. calor (talk) 22:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to set a few time goals for my Survivor, and I achieved first rank Survivor in 2h 54min. I can't upload the image (that's not some strange co-incidence either, don't get me wrong lol.), so I will post all the images of me getting Survivor rank in another forum. I'm very close to Indomitable Survivor with a time of 5h 34min, and I'm about 60K away, so that'll be under 6 hours, so expect that post very soon, so I think I'll hit my 6 hour target for R2. I'm going for the title in under 12 hours.

Title completed! =] R3 in 10 hours, I'm posting sereenshots and a video here: http://rapidshare.com/files/177718887/Gw_001.avi

and the screenshot is here: http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw005hm4.jpg

Good day to you all =] NickAmongstMereMortals 03:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] survivor

do snowball fight deaths count against your deaths --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.34.3.71 (talk).

Yes. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 03:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Failing the Grench/Freezie quests from the Rift Warden this Wintersday 2008 did not increase the death count. 76.30.79.54 13:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Festival Quest Deaths

On the Guild Wars Official Wiki page for Survivor it states that deaths in festival-related quests will not count against your recorded /deaths - however I had just attained the Survivor title and was at "level 21" - took the quest "The Greatest Snowman Ever Made" and was killed by Grentchus Magnus and the death counted. Of course NCSoft can't reverse this - even though the Wiki states that deaths during festival-related quests will not go "on account". This needs to either be reported as a "glitch" or recorded as a festival-related quest death that WILL count against your Survivor title track. (yes, I feel BURNED) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Username (talk). 69.108.112.247 07:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I think they ment festival quests recieved form the Rift Warden.Rach 10:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I altered the note to specify quests from the Rift Warden, as your death count can increase when killed in many other festival quests. -Kim Chase 18:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] More research + Data

Ok, so I started a new character in Nightfall (Monk primary, if it makes a difference). I immediately got a ferry to Consulate Docks, and then to Kaineng. I purchased max armor in Kaineng and did some quests until I hit level 10. From there, I took the EotN quest and once I arrived at Boreal Station, I quickly got a run to Gunnar's Hold. I began repeatedly doing the Punch Out Extravaganza ques/dungeon. It took me less than 80 minutes from my first run to go from level 10 to level 20. I averaged in 11,312xp, 972g, and 7.8 minutes per run using Scrolls of Adventurer's Insight which includes the quest reward XP, but excludes Holiday drops and Dye (since I keep those and sell later, so the potential for profit is even greater than recorded). From level 20, I started doing the same run but in Hard Mode. I averaged in 26,884xp, 1,546g and 13 minutes per run, once again excluding Dye and Holiday items. It took me around 3 and a half hours to reach r2 in the Survivor title track. From then on, I started buying Scrolls of Rampager's Insight. Keep in mind that all the scrolls I purchased except for the first 5 were purchased 100% with the money I made during these runs. Finally, from R2 to the coveted R3 Legendary Survivor, it took about 6 hours. So what is the lesson we learned? The total process took about 11 hours, which excludes the time I spent looking for runners and a ferry, time selling items to merchant, and the questing process. I made a total profit of 77,505g which excludes a LOAD of holiday items (Snowman Summoners, Fruitcakes, Eggnog) and a decent amount of Dwarven Ale and Aged Dwarven Ale from the dungeon chest. I also added a good amount of points to my Wisdom title, as I averaged in 2 golds every 3 runs, some which were q9, and alsoa dded a few points to my Treasure Hunter/Lucky/Unlucky titles being that I would get a Lockpick drop every 3 or 4 runs. Oh, but just so we're all clear on where my character stands as of now, as I was maybe 1 or two runs away from actually reaching the 3rd tier of the title, for some strange reason I was under the impression I had a full bar of energy before the 10 seconds ran out (perhaps a combination of cramped fingers and playing at 4am). And I died. End of story. I now am going to start it all over again, trying to beat my 11 hour mark which spanned a good 3 days ending today. Here's a less complicated table:

	Experience	Gold
Normal Mode	11,312xp	942.2g
Hard Mode	26,884xp	1,546g

(Average values were taken from 10 consecutive runs in each mode in America - English - District 1, include bonuses from Scrolls and exclude potential profit from Dye, Holiday items, and Ale) --ChristopherRodrigues 01:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Personally I found runs in NM to take under 6/7 mins and HM runs to take about 14/15. If you divide the amount of exp you get for each run by the time it takes I came to something like 1418 exp per minute in NM and only 1308 in HM. If you can consistently do a HM run in 13 mins or less then it is best to farm there, if not Survivor can be gained faster in NM. The only disadvantage is the lower value loot, but if you don't really care about that its not so much of a problem. Dac 18:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] After the first tier

I have a question. How many times do you have to level after reaching the first tier to get to the second? And after the second the third? Rach 02:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Tiers 2 and 3 correspond approximately to levels 50 and 100. -- Alaris 02:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

That helps a lot thank you. Rach 19:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fast way for permasins

For perma-Shadow Form assassins, the fastest way of obtaining Legendary Survivor is probably to farm the Spectral Vaettir in Jaga Moraine in HM by dropping the powder kegs from Budger Blackpowder. Runs take 2.5-3 minutes ea and each run earns 18k xp, this is 360k xp/hour, thus legendary survivor would be reached in less then 4 hours of farming.Anbu 22:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

With scrolls you get like 35k xp each round. I have done it yesterday and made a perma sin runned it from shing jea to sifhalla and then i went farming vaettir. And wenn I had legendary survivor I only played 6.25hours on it lolz. Proof: http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5503/gw802.jpg 145.53.242.142 16:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The side-effect of working on a Survivor...

I've started having dreams in which my non-farming survivor effort dies. -_- Three nights in a row, now. And she's still only tier 1! I dread to think what my dreams will be like when I get her close to Legendary. --Mme. Donelle 10:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I had dreams like that too. But my Survivor is now at tier 2 and the dreams have gone. It only lasts a little while. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:A Flaming Heart (talk).

Image what it does when you lose him before reaching legendary ;-) I lost my survivor (and first character) shortly after rank 1, because I didn't take any henchmen and thought I could take the fight. Gives quite a shock. I've been trough a few of these big shocks in MMO games and it really hits you once it happens. Try not to focus so much on your suvivor. Play with your other characters often or do a lot of other things. Getting survivor isn't that much of a deal eventually - it's just a fun thing. Don't stress over it, it's not worth it ;-) ::BTW.. I once tried to make a necro survivor in prophecies. After eight tries in seven days and a LOT of playtime I quit.. It's just too much, even when farming. -- Karasu (talk) 13:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Heheh, I didn't think I was too stressed over it. I'm not finding survivor terribly difficult and I haven't had any close calls; my subconscious just hates me and delights in making me feel like a failure. If I wasn't dreaming about my survivor dying, I'd be dreaming about falling off a cliff because nobody liked me enough to want to save me, etc etc. Its crowning glory was a dream in which I fell down the stairs and severely damaged my leg: it looked fine, there wasn't even any bruising, but I couldn't walk. And nobody believed that I'd actually hurt myself, so I was denied a trip to the hospital and forced to crawl around on the floor for a week. Best part is, the dream was so realistic I thought it was a real memory for years. Fun times. So yeah, my point is, survivor's easy and I'm crazy. --Mme. Donelle 17:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I've had such effects while working on my 2 LS's. Personally, the adrenaline, the stress, and the nightmares... they're part of the fun. It actually makes the game more exciting. People farming LS's are missing out on part of the fun. -- Alaris 14:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Lol... glad I'm not the only one. King Neoterikos 21:38, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh god I had a dream just the other night that my sin r2 survivor died to a 55 monks range attack, then later in the same dream, Guile from street fighter appeared in my game and flash kicked me 20 consecutive times, of course killing me........I can't wait for the torment to end....I'm going to burn him to death after I get r3, I hear that's the noble way to end his exp streak after r3.

Find a nice memorable death. I had my Guild vote on how I would die. By their vote, I joined in a PUG as healer, sacced myself, and yelled "OMG wherez da healz". Somehow, we managed to finish the mission in HM with masters nevertheless. -- Alaris 13:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Haha, i have these dreams too. luckily im 100k away from legendary. after that gonne die to shock the ppl who helped me :3 (Ixillius 18:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC))

Got similar side effect... now thinking of suing anet

And I'll sue Hollywood for making horror movies. -- Alaris 23:51, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

They need to add a disclaimer to the survival title that it'll almost certainly give you nightmares. I've had it both times I've done the title, despite the fact my second character's had an extremely laid back and easy time in contrast to the first (which failed 4 or 5 times) and had total confidence in succeeding --94.76.168.216 02:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the "Teen" rating covers that. -- Alaris 19:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

the 'trick' is don't get into situations that have a good chance of dying, e.g. my survivor is settled nicely in Gunnars hold...I never left an area (minus the areas around Kamadan) alone, during the venture to Gunnars I got a guildy (Firoas) to help keep me alive (not hard really but just a precaution) don't go attempting missions or anything you find dangerous unless you have full faith in your team...if you die...be sure to have a player in your team to blame XD Zachariah Zuan. 21:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] BMP

does dieing in the bonus mission pack affect survivor title? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.34.3.71 (talk).

The section "Types of death" already stated that deaths during BMP missions doesn't count (since you're not actually playing your character). -- ab.er.rant 02:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] GAH

So... I was laggy while working on my Survivor one day. As soon as I encountered lag, I exited out the program. When I got back on, I had lost it. I was incredibly mad, as I hadn't gotten even close to dying (or KO'd, rather, as I was in Kilroy's Punch-Out Extravaganza). But, y'know, it kinda relieves the pressure. --Gah Eat my uber regen. 21:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Same thing happened to me is there any way to get it back because this is bull.

It's safer playing with a full party, because that gives you healers and other party members that will carry on even though you might be lagging. H&H are an excellent buffer. If you're farming it though, what you gain in time saved, you lose in risks of having to start over a few times. -- Alaris 13:42, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fool Proof Survivor

Corsair prisoners outside kamadan in the training area. they are trapped melee and so cannot harm you. would take forever though ;-) On a more serious note, the worms outside borlis ice station are relatively docile and are safe to farm so long as u take a monk hero as back up --Justice 11:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The fool part: They'd stop giving experience after level 4 or something.-- anguard 12:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Hard Mode? — Why 14:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

yeah HM = 150exp without scrolls...sorry didnt think i would have to say that--Justice 08:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

That would be suicide-inducing slow.-- anguard 06:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Playing captain obvious today? "would take forever though ;-)"....its alright to be wrong, just dont magnify it--Justice 07:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

only take about 7980 times without scrolls lol Auren X 00:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] How does this work?

i got rank one...if I die can i put it in HoM? Zachariah Zuan. 21:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

You need to max out this title before you can put it in HoM. If you die at rank one, you cannot put it in HoM. Assassin Warrior 21:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

that sucks...it's not very clear on that it says 5 titles are ones that have to be maxed...only Wisdom and Treasure hunter are marked with 5 Zachariah Zuan. 21:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The kathy Way

The Kanthandrax Way, From having 0exp ( which is hard lol) Take 178.33333333333333333333333333333 hammers to max the title, you need to be level 10 before you can access GW:EN so if you can get around 160 Kathy Hammers, Earned from other characters and stored in the chest, get a run to Doomlore and then a run to Kathy Dungeon and zmoe hand in zone hand in etc etc, easy way tio max Suribor imo <3 --Cookie™ 01:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Archive?

Can i suggest that some of these early posts get arcgived as the page is gettting huge lol xD, and I think the page shud be split anyway <3 Cookie™ 01:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Did a discretionary archive. If anyone feels differently, revert/delete/do what you want. -- Wandering Traveler 01:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

thats, just figured it needed tidying up :D --Cookie™ 02:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Need be Prophecies character?

On the Survivor page, under Useful Tips - Planning, it states that a character striving for the title should ascend at Augury Rock instead of doing the Nahpui Quarter mission or the quest Hunted!, because the former awards 50,000 xp. But on the Augury Rock mission entry page, it states that a Prophecies character will receive the 50,000 xp upon completion of the mission, implying that characters who started in the other campaigns will not receive the 50,000 xp. At best, there seems to be an inconsistency between the two pages, but my question is whether a non-Prophecies character would receive the 50,000 xp upon completion of Augury Rock.

Good question. A bit off-topic, I would like to say that I now disagree with this statement entirely. The 50k exp seems nice, but the risk and generally low-XP content that needs to be done in order to get there makes it not worth it. My impression is that the 50k XP does not really compensate for the rest, and players would be better off playing NF or Factions anyway (EotN too risky imo). -- Alaris 18:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

My Monk is canthan and he ascended in Tyria for the 50,000 XP, so I can confirm this for canthan characters. :) --Sensei 21:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

My Paragon did it. King Neoterikos 22:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Excellent -- and I am a bit surprised at Alaris, because she (?) had argued earlier in favor of active pursuit of survivor title instead of mindless farming (although my survivor wannabe would no doubt hang back during those admittedly difficult missions preceding ascension in Prophecies -- geez, Dunes of Despair, with a party of six -- somebody at NCSoft has a streak of sadism for those seeking the bonus....) Sjhshh 03:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

It's important to note, although I might sound obvious, that the 50,000 XP is only awarded if it's your 'first ascension' - that is, you must not have become "Closer to the Stars" in Cantha (for tyrian and canthan chars), neither completed "Hunted!" in Elona (for elonian chars). Also, I am not one bit concerned about how people get this title. "Playing" normally of farming it, it doesn't really matter as long as you get it instead of getting frustrated over it. I was lucky to have started my character right before a double XP for Skill Captures weekend, so I had over 1 Million XP in one weekend (about half from caps, half from quests and missions). The final 337K XP, though, I literally farmed at Wurms because I did not want to risk losing all the work and money put on the character (I disconnect a lot, and had lost a character at around 1.1M XP). --Sensei 12:08, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

@Sjhshh: I now have 3 LS, none are farmed. XP scrolls, lots of caps, but all done using H&H and missions. It's a personal choice, of course, but I personally find it more enjoyable to get LS by playing. The comment about Prophecies holds though, because there's enough content in Factions and NF alone to get LS if you go far enough in both games. I went all the way to Unwaking & Ruins of Morah, with most quests and caps done, to get LS. So it's entirely feasible to skip a game (or two) and get LS without farming. ps: not that it matters, but I'm a dude =) -- Alaris 14:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I can now personally confirm the above that a non-Prophecies character does indeed get the 50,000 xp when ascending at Augury Rock. My thanks to Sensei and King Neoterikos for their wise and helpful counsel. I meant to clarify the language on the mission entry page, but I see that it already has been. Also, I would never mean to disparage Alaris (or question his gender), but I received more of a scare during Assault on Beknur Harbor than during anything on my trip from Lion's Arch to Sanctum Cay to and through the Crystal Desert. Indeed, I am a bit surprised that there is not more discussion of using a Scroll of Slayer's Insight, e.g., during the Thirsty River mission. But I was already 20th level and an experienced player and, most importantly, I had a patient and willing PC companion with fully buffed heroes who did most of the heavy lifting. Now if only I can remember my place in the backline .... Sjhshh 20:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

No worries... I recognize that my alias is confusing with regards to gender... but then again, my chars are usually female. About Beknur, we should probably add a comment that Masters difficulty quests should be avoided unless you know what you're doing. I'm happy your journey through the desert was painless, but some people still struggle with it... I guess your mileage may vary. Still, the XP/hour in Prophecies is lower than anywhere else, and it's not like the desert and later areas are especially easy. -- Alaris 19:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Deaths from Polymock Losses?

My survivor character has had a few match losses in Polymock but the death counter remains at 0. Hockster 21:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

it's fair as you don't gain exp from it, so it's not farmable Zachariah Zuan. 07:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Even if you could gain exp, you'd have to grind that for pretty long to gain title. :P Mediggo 07:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] <1hour

The comment "<1hour just redoing Chahbek Village and not completing till lvl 5." was copy-pasted everywhere. I removed it since it seemed unjustified or just not useful. It could be re-added as a note in the main section (where to find XP) if it gives much more XP than moving onwards, but I seriously doubt it. -- Alaris 18:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

ye i dont get that part unless some 1 explains it i think it can be removed 134.58.253.55 09:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bugged Cinemac

Why is this:

"In Prophecies chapter, in order to cross over from pre-searing you must go through a type of trial PvP arena. To avoid deaths in this arena (since levels can span from 1-15 or higher) Simply log out while waiting to go into battle. Once you log back in, you should be in the latter stages fighting grawl and charr with your party. In this situation you can simply hang back and strike from a distance or just wait for your party members to vanquish the area."

In the bugged cinemac section? It doesn't seem to fit here, should it be moved? Aswed123123123 20:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Survivor with Prophecies Mesmer

I recently rolled a Mesmer in good ol' Prophecies. I want to squeeze at least one more journey across prophecies (and the other games) before GW2, and for the fun of it. I want to keep her in Prophecies as long as I possibly can stand to, once she's done all I can bear in Prophecies I'll move her to do stuff in Fac/NF/EoTN. Questions is... How long will it take (and how hard will it be) to get Legendary Survivor with a solid Prophecies character start to finish? She's level 7 with 0 deaths thus far. I wanted to do this also because I don't know too many people who would have the patience to do this and just force themselves to stay in prophecies and I want to have that for prestige. - Chrisworld 01:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

"for prestige. - Chrisworld"

You want something for prestige that you'll never be able to prove / show / etc. ? A F K When Needed 18:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

People enjoy setting themselves personal challenges. Enjoy it. To answer your question, I think that most good XP is to be found in quests outside Prophecies. However, if you find a good way to farm HM in Prophecies, you can get good XP as well. I can't estimate how long it'll take though, because that will depend a lot on how you get your XP. Good luck! -- Alaris 20:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Worms

Are worms really that slow? I think they're quite underrated. Am working on survivor with my ranger solo farming them on hard mode with the 200g endurance scrolls and get 6-7k exp per 5 minute or less run which comes out to about 70k an hour. Got to R2 in about 6 hours and will probably take me about 12 until r3. Slower than the Punch-out tournament but not that slow and safer as there's really few ways to screw it up or have to worry about lag.--SunJinyu 04:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Update: Got R3 today, about 12 hours like I estimated, was rather easy but I never want to see another wurm as long as I live :P --SunJinyu 02:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Good to know. Any tips to make this faster / painless? Do they heal when they go back into ground? -- Alaris 15:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I used a spirit spammer build on my ranger which made it a lot faster than other builds I tried. The worms are in clusters of 3-4 and spirits will attack them all at once and often once they go into the ground so you don't have to wait for them to pop up again. They do start to heal in the ground unfortunately so having the spirits attack while they're in the ground is very nice (pets do too but do less damage). The only real tricky part is the last group of 3, which have pinesouls nearby that can aggro but they go for the spirits so you have time to run away and resign if that happens. The only other thing I can think of is using stronger scrolls if you can afford them or want to buy them. The cost of the adventurer scrolls gets covered easily by drops, the other ones you'd have to invest a bit of gold in.--SunJinyu 19:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] My necro just got it in ~16hrs

By doing FoW nm runs right after ascension --Spicy was hot wing 8:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Gratz :D

New posts go to the bottom ;) and you can use ~~~~ to sign. -- ab.er.rant 14:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Should this be added to the page? It was obtained in ~16hrs starting in factions then being ran to sanctum cay completing ascension in prophecies and then doig nm fow full clears ten times.