Talk:Master of Magic

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1 SKILL BALANCED
2 Linked from Isle of the Nameless
3 Kinetic Armor
4 Stumped for a build
5 Not a bug
6 My god....
7 Question
8 Energy Storage ?
9 Well okay.
10 Journey to the North
11 WOW!
12 Try Something Different - Elementalist BeastMaster
13 PvP version ?
14 Builds
15 I think this is meant for low level chrs
16 EotN
17 Fun Skill but be prepared
18 In PvE

[edit] SKILL BALANCED

Due to a new update, ALL ELEMENTALIST skills now work with this. So stick 12 in Energy storage and use it wisely :D --Stokoe 01:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

OMG this skill is so much better now. Damnit, I need internet at home! --BeeD 08:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Linked from Isle of the Nameless

Should have a disambiguation page, as the link from Isle of the Nameless should not link to this skill.

[edit] Kinetic Armor

This skill is GREAT with Kinetic armor and flare. You can use those heavy earth AoE spells, and have Kinetic Armor on, then spam Flare like mad, renewing your armor and giving you decent energy back with the proper attunement. FleshAndFaith 04:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Cool, glad to hear someone found a use for this, I've been stumped since I first saw it. I might have to try something like that tonight. :) - Elder Angelus 21:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stumped for a build

At first glance, the new MoM seems awsome, maybe even slightly over-powered, but I honestly can't seem to find a build that makes using it worthwhile in PvE. For MoM to really benefit you, you would need to have 12 in energy storage and use skills from two or more different elemental lines. While that's all fine and dandy for shutdown elementalists (who normally combine water and air) in PvP, in PvE the synergy between different elemental lines aren't as easy to see. Can anyone else think up at least an outline for a usable MoM build in PvE? Silavor 02:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

This redesign completely destroys my E/Rt that used this skill as its core (MoM, Kinetic Armor [long recharge] and channeling spell spamming. Oh well. I guess it's time for a new build on her. I've used that build for about a year, despite the channeling nerfs. --71.253.35.203 03:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

...did you really just say oh well? You can use any elemental attribute you want on the same build.--The Gates Assassin 04:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I uses MoM/Kinetic Armor to refuel *ritualist* skill spamming. It was a very effective pressure build. Most of my builds tend to be primary profession for its primary-only skill to synergise with another profession's skills. It's fun that way. --136.142.214.19 14:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

(in response to original paragraph, so reset indent) There are several skill combinations that are from different elemental lines that work well together. Immolate and Steam and Slippery Ground for example. Or Enervating Charge and Stoning. Chilling Winds and Arc Lightning. And so on. With only 12 in each attribute, this isn't going to be a "godly" setup, but it will work relatively well. A lot better than trying to spec into each of the different elemental lines, at least. --Nkuvu

14:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

except , you will gain +2 energy regen on top of that wich makes it really good IMHO. --79.9.69.91 14:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The +2 regen isn't bad, but lack of much other energy management I ran out of energy fairly quickly using the combinations I mention above (also note, I meant something like Freezing Gust rather than Chilling Winds, I always think Chilling Winds is water magic). Not much energy management aside from attunements, of course, which kind of defeat the purpose of diversifying your magic lines. --Nkuvu

04:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Not a bug

The Glyph of Elemental Power build isn't a bug at all, glyphs aren't considered elemental, hence they end Master of Magic. --Doombringer 03:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Fixed--Underwood 04:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It ends it because that's an unlinked skill. Glyphs that fall under one of the 4 elements will not end MoM.

[edit] My god....

This = Massive utility. I have some build to test now... :D -- Wandering Traveler 05:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It's fucking weird. Only skill that equals giving around 380 attribute points. (4x94 or 4x96) Ninjas In The Sky 08:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

My new favorite Elementalist elite =D --Mage

Montu 08:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Does this work with the Prismatic Insignia? 91.117.187.8 08:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

it's insane. you can just 12+1+3 energy storage and 12 some secondary class attribute (AARGH, mystic regeneration!) - Y0_ich_halt 09:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Heh, one problem with speccing into other secondary attributes is that if you use a skill that isn't in Air, Earth, Fire, or Water Magic Master of Magic will end. So if you tried to use Mystic Regeneration, your Master of Magic would end. Finding a cover enchantment for MoM is really quite difficult >.< Silavor

11:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

An attunement maybe? --Mage

Montu 12:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

activate mantra of earth beforehand, then MoM and Stone Striker. - Y0_ich_halt

12:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm still having issues figuring out any kind of build for this, because there aren't that many inter-element synergies, or then they simply don't add up to a viable build...--Doombringer 15:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

What? You must be joking! There are conditional skills in Air, Water, Fire and Earth using conditions and effects given by others. I can't wait to try the possible combinations! Mith

Talk 15:30, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

One of the best things I can see this skill allowing for, is for you to put a 12 in Energy Storage and then a 12 in something else like Protection Prayers, Restoration, Healing, etc. but still let you make use of any Elementalist skill you like for decent damage or support. Sure it ends if you use a non-elemental skill, but heck being able to switch back and forth for what is needed at the time will be great, and you can also take advantage of the 20 second recharge to allow you to cast something like Mantra of Resolve, Fleeting Stability, Bloodsong, Vital Boon, or even Protective Was Kaolai (just as a few random examples) and then activate this and cast your elemental skills, then by the time you need to use the other skills again you can and this skill will be recharged and you can cast it again after. I think this bit of utility is just what the Elementalists needed. ~ J.Kougar 16:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Only problem is why did it have to come at the start of a double AB weekend. I can see this being so abused that it's not even funny.--Masato 19:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

There's a few catches attached to this skill. Some of the obvious ones are that it's an elite, an enchantment spell, and that other attributes (including Energy Storage) can't be cast alongside it. Admittedly, any sort of anti-enchant etc. can be mitigated with energy storage req. items that half recharge times. However, as far as energy management goes, you have three options. First is just sticking with the +2 regen, for a total of +6. I haven't done the math on that one. The second is taking energy storage glyphs and such. Third is running an Attunement spell. Attunements will both work and provide the necessary cover enchantment. However, you'll probably end up having to use mainly the Attunement-related skills so you can keep your energy efficient. I can't deny that there's certain synergy that'll come- see Steam, etc. However...I can't really remember a lot of skills that 'depend' like Steam. I do remember an Earth Magic snare that makes the enemy immune from all damage outside of Lightning...but I doubt we'll see that. Shell Shock can probably be used rather nastily, though. Diva 00:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I just read upwards a bit, noticed Nkuvu listed plenty of the synergies I missed earlier. Time to test this out! Diva 00:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Think the immune skill your looking for is Iron Mist. The slowdown is the only annoying part and unless your team is running air spike it's still not that great. I'll take either Deep Freeze or Freezing Gust.

Running this with Fire/Air Attunement, Storm Dijnn's Haste and various other dmg skills for TA and AB atm. It's being rather nasty since in the last 3 hours I've seen maybe 1 enchantment removal being used. Might be more but then I don't see em. All I know is this skill is very attactive atm and I don't doubt they'll change it soon. Getting my kicks in while I can.--Masato 17:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

find a good build for this, win a prize 87.189.234.105 18:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've got: Master of Magic, Water Attunement, Air Attunement, Fire Attunement, Earth Attunement. What else should I bring? 157.193.77.4 19:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Mending, Purge Signet, and Resurrect. --76.25.197.215 19:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Kinda bad in PvP. Just keep stripping MoM and the ele is completely shutdown.--The Gates Assassin 14:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

If the ele doesn't spec points into the attributes it is using then they are the ones bad in PvP, this only needs 12 (10+1+1) in energy storage to get the desired effect, left over points should be distributed accordingly. Which in the end kind of defeats the purpose, but I suppose having 12 in every elemental attribute is lulz.--Underwood 10:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

This skill turns your Ele into a tank if used right. Prismatic armor and you're at 80, now spec 9 into Tactics/Command/Motivation, now you're at 96, now give yourself a Spear with a +5 armor bonus (for shits and giggles) you're at 101. You now have more armor than a Warrior against all damage, as well as a bar of say...Enervating Charge, Glowstone, Freezing Gust or Shard Storm, Hail Stone, Steam, Glyph of Immolation, Res, MoM and you've got a nice stable DPS, and utility all over the bar. Did I mention you can also put a +45 health increase on the shield and you have more space for Vigor/Attunement ruins. This skill is amazing too say the least...Gothica

I could tank crazily with Prismatic, Kinetic, Mantra of Earth and Stone Striker. You reduce the damage you take from the mantra after armor, and if you're really fancy you can use Stoneflesh Aura to take NO damage. Aura of Restoration for some minor healing to counter degen. Now you have 2 to 3 skill slots to fill for damage and 4 attributes to choose from. Solo farming build time. Oh, and if you have Goren or something, you can buff him up with superior runes, Arcane Mimicry his Lyssa's Aura and have even more energy regen that will never go as long as you keep renewing it like kinetic armor. Just make him run off and take it between mobs.

[edit] Question

Would skills that deal elemental damage like channeled strike or deathly chill end this skill or not? - 70.15.5.207 18:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

See note. --Chaiyo Kaldor ח יו 18:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

just read it >.< im dumb - 70.15.5.207 18:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Energy Storage ?

Energy Storage is not part of the 'Fire', 'Air', 'Water', and 'Earth' attributes mentioned according to the note. Which means that you can't cast Master of Magic and cover it with Aura of Restoration? --80.16.169.162 11:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

That's right. If you cast Aura of Restoration after Master of Magic, Master of Magic will end. Balwin 12:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

lol. Anyone else see the irony that the main synergy for this skill is Elemental Attunement, which can't be used with it, even with Arcane Mimicry as it would end this skill. lol that's cruel--Cursed Condemner 07:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

It's retarded is what it is. The very first enchant strip that comes your way is going to leave you useless for the next 10 seconds. Done25 22:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Nope. you can cover this skill with aura of restoration. it will not end it because it says it ends when you use a non-elementalist skill. and last time i checked aura of restoration was an elementalist skill. i donno if it didnt cover it before but when i use it it works fine. Dysfunctional 05:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Originally, that wasn't possible. Master of Magic used to end when you used a non-elemental spell. Shortly after this buff, Master of Magic now ends when you use a non-Elementalist spell. Overrandom 22:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Well okay.

This enchantment ends if you use a non-Elementalist skill.

I guess I'll play my MoM ele again. Vael Victus 01:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

MoM + glowing spells for air + fire + earth + spells to create required effects (burning, weakness and attacking foe)?

glyph of elemental power tbh --InfestedHydralisk

12:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Notes

This skill fixes elemental attributes at exactly 12, regardless of any other modifiers.

If you meant using it along with MoM. In any case, I do enjoy my MoM because it's so melee-hate on top of being just good damage and conditions. Vael Victus

12:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Journey to the North

What happens to a character under the effect of the Journey to the North effect from GW:EN who then casts Master of Magic ? 86.209.230.185 14:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Awaken the Blood doesn't alter your blood magic/curses, so I guess this won't either. Paddymew 08:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

It actually causes your attributes to fall under Journey to the North standards. MoM is useless here.

Kaoz|talk

09:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WOW!

it really works with glyph of elemental power? +14 to air, earth, fire, and water! Granted you loose your glyph (sorta as Glyph of elemental power is only a 5sec recharge) and 1-2 ranks (depending on sup rune or major). Now just gotta justify using a build with more then 2 elemental lines. Does Elemental Lord stack with Master of magic, like the glyph, as well? +15 air, fire, earth and water!--Justice 02:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Just cast it after you cast MoM. If GoEP works then EleLord should too --BeeD 11:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Try Something Different - Elementalist BeastMaster

I play with rangers that all have pets and now my elementalist can bring one along. Plenty of points to put into beast mastery with still enough points to put into Fire Magic so my elementalist is not a complete cripple when enchantments get stripped off.

Steam

Glowing Gaze and Shock Arrow help keeps the energy up so I can toss Rodgort's Invocation occasionally. (YMMV - I play PVE with a lean towards role playing) RedshirtRicky 21:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PvP version ?

MoM becomes sooo useful in PvP, just figure out an elem channeling obsidian flames to quickly kill 1 or 2 players, and casting snares, wards and little spammable spells along with one of the new mana managements once exhaustion becomes unbearable ? this is OMFG !

No, MoM isn't very useful in PvP. 12 spec is sort of low (non-maintainable wards/snares, for instance, or significantly less damage from offensive spells), and there really isn't that much stuff to bring that requires you having 5 attributes. The most damning thing about MoM is it sacrifices your elite, which means you can't bring Savannah Heat, Searing Flames, Shatterstone, Icy Shackles, Ward vs Harm... any of the keystone elites that people actually bring elementalists for in the first place. MoM really isn't that good. -Auron 08:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Well i dont think loosing 1-2 seconds on a ward is critical but when u start taping into your dmg for a utility skill it hurts. I would consider this spell much more viable for a support/snare role. Use earth prayer wards, snare with water magic and cast things like windborne speed on your monks or something. Would only seem like a gimic build untill u mastered it--Justice 20:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The problem is, you still lose your elite, which in most cases is the best skill you have. Icy shackles gets an enchanted target (i.e., any relic runner) slowed by 90%. Water trident is super spammable knockdown. Shatterstone, on a bar with freezing gust + frozen burst, is often enough damage to solo kill a relic runner (if the team's monks are off doing other things). Ward vs Harm is party protection, especially versus fire, which is the most dangerous elemental damage in the game.

Elementalists rarely take only elementalist skills. Open up obs mode. Count all the E/Rts and E/Ps. They are taking utility skills like weapon of warding, song of concentration and make haste. MoMagic prevents that, which sacrifices utility on top of sacrificing your elite slot.

Elementalists manage energy with attunes. If you have spells from 4 attributes, which MoMagic wants you to have, you're giving up the ability to use any attunements. The 2 pips of extra regen doesn't make up for getting 30%+1 energy back from every spell you cast if you just specced like a normal elementalist.

Lastly, losing all that utility is pointless in the first place. If you're running a bar with earth magic and water magic, as Justice suggested, why don't you just spec earth and water? 14 water, 10 earth and 10 energy storage is plenty, considering you are able to use an elite skill and all non-elementalist skills for utility. MoMagic locks you into a gimped ele-skill-only, no-useful-elite build that doesn't really achieve anything. It really is sub-par. -Auron 21:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Mark of Rodgort

Earthen Shackles

Steam

Slippery Ground

Glyph of Lesser Energy

Windborne Speed

Aura of Restoration

Master of Magic

Not saying its godly...i dont gvg or ha enough to know what real pvp is, aka observer mode. Im sure your going to say one hex remove and its junk...or monks always bring condition removals...dur its called counter. Any how its a build that can function in at least RA, AB or at minimal Aspenwood.--Justice 04:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Put it another way, an Ele elite is the mainstay of the bar while the rest of the bar is supplement its damage and manage the usage of those skills. Things like a typical Sav Heat bar with additional DoT spells coupled with a snare. MoM aims to do it the other way with the elite trying to supplement the rest of the war. This only works on a few of the ele skills, the Dual Attunement Invocation or air bars are such examples. At first glace MoM seems like a good skill, but like Auron says you lose focus. My old boss refers to it as trying to be nine miles wide (ie covering all bases) but on an inch deep. Conversely, speccing your ele so that its one inch wide but nine miles deep (ie highly specific use but damned good at it) is the way to go. Tbh this skill should be called Jack of all Trades, as in Jack of all trades master of none -BeeD 00:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

But the rit is already the jack of all trades -- euphoracle | talk 20:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Builds

Ofcourse you can use it with pretty much every build, but i think i got a nice low hp elementalist/monk, use this, Aura of Regenration and life bond, and start spamming every skill you want, pretty much invincible if you can keep those three up, have 5 energy regeneration, and combine with fire/earth/air/water attunement for some save on energy cost. Use glowing gaze and shatterstone to regain some energy, choose flare or stone daggers to spam, and got room for some higher attacks skills in youre bar... One pain in the ase in AB for example ;) Niccy 09:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I think this is meant for low level chrs

like the note says, a low level chr with a tome would be LEET... well you know for his low level area.

but other than that, i cant think of much.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Mr girlie (talk).

[edit] EotN

I went through the Eye of the North entrance quest with my sub-20 (I think level 12 or 13) Elementalist with 15 Energy Storage and no other attributes that had this skill from an Elite Tome. I found, once I used MoM, that it allocated the attribute points to 12 Energy Storage, 9 Air, 9 Water, 9 Fire, and 0 Earth. I don't know if the elements were randomly picked, but regardless, Journey to the North definitely overrides MoM, not the other way around. Adding a vague note, someone else can do the specific research. --75.86.196.198 21:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fun Skill but be prepared

As useful as this skill is don't get cocky over it. You should still use your attributes anyway because I've stripped this enchant so many times off ele and they crash and are useless until it recharges. It's fun until a necromancer strips you over n over again. The Emmisary 23:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Semi-PvE only skills belong in PvE. And why are you writing all this here? When did the wiki become a blog or suggestion hob? Titani Ertan {{Snappy the Turtle}} 18:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Uhm.... I don't think you should see Talk:Game updates then.. --Alex

Eternal 18:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Usage suggestion hub. *facepalms* Titani Ertan {{Snappy the Turtle}} 18:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Uh, why would you ever use this in PvE (unless you're under level 20)? Vili 点

19:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Because some people don't want to run Fire all the time. Titani Ertan {{Snappy the Turtle}} 19:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

So you'd rather take this over Ward Against Harm, Unsteady Ground, Sandstorm, Thunderclap, Invoke Lightning, Glyph of Energy, Elemental Attunement, Ether Prism, Echo...ok. Vili 点

19:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Depends on the weather, really. And lolthunderclap lolglyphofenergy Titani Ertan {{Snappy the Turtle}} 19:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thunderclap is the only way to cause Daze as an ele without relying on cheat codes. Glyph Energy is useful in places where your attunements get stripped regularly. Vili 点

20:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] In PvE

This is an interesting skill for PvE. I usually do pretty well when I use my MoM build to vanquish in the Desolation, but I think one might get more utility from PvE-only skills. MoM gives you the option to use any attribute combination you want - I've used some pretty crazy ones before - but you can't use Pain Inverter, Sniper Support, Assassin Support, etc. You need to be prepared to have a much lower DPS with this skill, I think. Whenever I use it, I use it with Elemental Lord, Glyph of Elemental Power, and Kinetic Armor (160 base armor!), and have less than half a bar left for damage. When I vanquished the Alkali Pan, it took my group about 5 minutes to kill an Arm of Insanity, because the little basterd kept spawning more of himself. One Arm of Insanity ended up being about ten or fifteen, because the group couldn't deal enough damage to kill it fast enough. On the brighter side, when I had to kill Shelkeh the Hungry, I tanked while the rest of the group killed the Awakened Acolytes. It looked incredibly wierd, seing an Elementalist tank everything and still take almost no damage! Also, when I brought a ranger with Symbiosis, I had a base health of about 1,200, making it easier to kill the Ruby Djinns. No doubt, this makes the Elementalist much les squishy, but I missed my precious Pain Inverter and Summon Ruby Djinn. ~ A R A ~ 02:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool story bro. Lord Caeliat

18:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)